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Members of the Whirling School have discovered a previously unpublished secret message hidden in the words of Sermon Zero.
This is the fourth such message to be found in this document.
You can read Sermon Zero and discover the presently known secret messages at The Imperial Library and the 'B Hive'.
This latest discovery and more for your edification will be available at the
new web site for The Theoretical Whirling School Of Vivec, which will be online in the next couple of days.
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Oh goodie! Another secret message.  This is like augury by chicken entrails. It never bodes well for the chicken.
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Sounds great! I cannot wait to see it.
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The fourth? Then this would be very interesting...
And now go to work you lazy, I want to see the secret soon!
/me whip the daedric whip to Nigedo
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subject of whipping .... Ouch! 
[where's the console...
<placeatpc,
ah yes, now what's the object code for the Cuirass of the Savior's Hide?  ]
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Oh, joy! Thank- You so much! * Gives Nigedo a big smootch *
xoxoxoxo.
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Interesting. I await its revelation.
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Hey Alastor,
How's things. I haven't see you around for ages!
[Edging gingerely away from Amie]
I simply haven't got time for smooching  , but.. um.. yes, you're quite welcome. Thank you.
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OK, it's been a couple of days, time's up.
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The SECRET is ( THIS IS A SMART WAY,TO CREATE HYPE ABOUT AN NEW WEBSIDE. ) (SENSE MORAL DO NOT PROMISE. DELIVER)
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Hmmm cynical. 
I'm sorry about the delay.
My free web host's server has gone down and I am searching for an alternative host.
Any ideas for a good free web host would be welcome at this point. 
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Yeah, post it here! We're dying over here! Err, well, a couple of us are already dead....
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Yeah, post it here.
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Sorry to hear that you are having problems with your site, Nigedo. I'll wait patiently for the message. Then I want to add it to the Analysis on Sermon Zero at The Imperial Library. I'll make sure that you guys get credit.
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On second thought, I think I better wait, I am sure you have something BIG for us.
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Ahh come on plz just post it... whe waited long enough i think...
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If you donīt think then you only are THE FISH WHO FOREVER IS( IS GONE TO 90%) In the ocean at least . New name maybe ( REMAINING FISH SCARED AS HELL) itīs a joke donīt be offended PLEASE( i LIKE FISH ) 
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that made no sence at all whatso ever still funny though.
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I didn't understand a word of that, so it must be the new secret message.
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Yes it is a secret message( or a play wiht words) so in a sense Tegger is right. When i was reading Eternall Fishīs post. (REF: xanathar)It was not easy, to take my eyes off the man in the bunny suit. He looks like he has a nervous breakdown jumping up and down, so i start reading ( some people ect.ect) and everything is clear
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Lol, he can be innoing thats why i like it, besides that South Park episode where the pink bunny appears is so funny
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Woah. That is an angry looking mob.
OK. My sincerest apologies for making you all wait. The problems of doubtful DNS have now been resolved and the new site is up (yay! ).
You can read the post here.
Or follow the link in my signature.
You will find the hidden message of Sermon Zero in the Resources section of The School site - enjoy!
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Thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you... I was getting seriously insane here. All better now
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Quote:
I was getting seriously insane here.
'Seriously' insane as opposed to just mildly insane like you were already , Pink Guy...?
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Enough to awaken even me, thank you for this great insight
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Quote:
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I was getting seriously insane here.
'Seriously' insane as opposed to just mildly insane like you were already , Pink Guy...?
Lol, but yeah
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Thanks for sharing your insight. I'll be adding the Fourth Secret Message to The Imperial Library very soon.
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Just thought you should know... the "reveal messages" doesn't work in Netscape. I had to use Internet Explorer, which I try to avoid because of security issues.
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the "reveal messages" doesn't work in Netscape
Thanks Alli. I'll take a look at sorting that out.
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You know they did an awesome job making the religious texts in Morrowind when it's at least as depressing as The Bible.
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So, concerning the content of the secret message, it is rather confusing.
My thinking is that this is only the second piece of information to be extracted from the 'thrice-secret word', suggesting to me that there is a further secret in this word.
The first of these two was relatively straight-forward to see, and by removing it we are left with the basis for the second, thus removing one level of secrecy.
Sermon Zero v. 23 says, "Here the true key lies. Vivec is the lesser or false key".
Now, 'Vivec' is the literal key to the cipher that contains the second of the two known meanings in the 'thrice-secret word' and the Sermon tells us that it should be considered the 'lesser or false' key.
I interpret this to mean that the information yielded by the 'lesser' key is 'false'; that is to say worthless of itself. But the wording does suggest that within the thrice-secret word lies 'the true key'.
It is my belief that there is another level of meaning, perhaps within the latest secret message, that is itself hidden by a third secret means and is the 'truth' that the word ultimately claims to contain.
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that... is too geneous for me....
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White Gold netch merchants Cherim Muzariah
- White Gold may very well be a reference to the White Gold Tower in the Imperial City.
- There is a book that talks about Cherim (Cherim's Heart of Anequina). He has made Tapestries about a battle at White Gold Tower. Also, the Imperial City owns some of these tapestries. No mention on Muzariah though.
Hold the key on twelve hundred
- Not sure what this reffers to. The key could be any number of things and the twelve hundred may be a reference to anything!
And the lightning struck Dragon Tower.
- The Dragon Tower is obviously a refrence to the Dragon Break, but is it saying it will happen again?
I bind these Daedra guardians under the Seed-apple Lattice.
- The Lattice is usually used when talking about the Moons, although it's never been called the Seed-Apple Lattice. Perhaps it is talking about Daedra that are guarding the White Gold Tower.
Hmm, food for thought, no?
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Yes, that's about all I could see as well, although I didn't make a connection between the 'Dragon Tower' and the Tower ideal, as in the sideways wheel or 'Dragon Break'.
Do you interpret "lightning struck" as being the 'breaking' of the Dragon, then?
What interests me is the reference to 'Cherim Muzariah' holding 'the key'.
Perhaps this is the literal key to another layer of secrecy. Perhaps I have been looking at this too long already...
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Dragon is also a symbol of the Emperor and the Cyrodiil Empire. Perhaps this is a prophecy of its downfall?
And twelve hundred... mid day? Heh, unlikely...
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OK. So perhaps this information isn't completely 'false' then. Maybe it does have meaning?
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Hold the key on twelve hundred
- Not sure what this reffers to. The key could be any number of things and the twelve hundred may be a reference to anything!
Maybe it refers to the "true" key to the cipher, assuming that "Vivec" is the "lesser" or "false" key? First idea: check Sermon Twelve. The hundredth letter is w, which starts the word "with". The hundredth word might vary, depending on if you count the hypenated "giant-form" to be one word or two. If you count it as one, word one-hundred is "to". More interesting is if you count it as two: the hundredth word is "divine".
Thought: Vivec's divinity is not true divinity, being stolen from Lorkhan's Heart. He is named a False God by Azura and the Prophecies.
Using the Vigenere cipher on the thrice-secret word with "divine" as the key yields utter gibberish; I tried with all letters, uppercase letters and lowercase letters. Nothing resembling a coherent word formed, either forwards or backwards. Not to say, of course, that it couldn't be some other cipher (do all "scrambled" messages in-game use the Vigenere cipher?), or even some other encoded message. The reference to Cherim is interesting; maybe the key is in that book.
The Dragon Tower is obviously a refrence to the Dragon Break, but is it saying it will happen again?
Maybe it's happening right now, or already has happened. I wouldn't like it to happen this way, but maybe a Dragon Break will be the explanation for what happened on Morrowind in TES4. Such open-ended gameplay can cause all kinds of havoc in a sequel, and there can only be so many events which will have had happened for certain; the deaths of Dagoth Ur, Almalexia and Sotha Sil are three such events.
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If we're talking about the 'Dragon Break' then this is from Where were you... (the complete version).
1E1200-2208 The Dragon Break
Scholar-priests of the Alessian Order tamper with the Dragon God of Time.
A fanatical sect of the Alessian Order, the Maruhkati Selective, becomes frustrated by ancient Aldmeri traditions still present within the theological system of the Eight Divines.
So 'twelve hundred' could be referring to 1E1200, the year of the 'lightning-struck Dragon Tower' or 'Dragon Break'.
And White Gold may be a reference to the Alessian Order (i.e. fanatical followers of the cult of Empress Alessia.)
I'm not sure though, it still doesn't make much sense to me.
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There are mentions of a Netchiman in the text of sermon zero.
White gold is another name for ivory.
Could twelve hundred be an amount of coins?
Does a key of almsivi reveal anything? Maybe not.
Maybe 'twelve hundred' is itself a key somehow.
Who is Netchiman Irdi? Why does his name appear in the IRDI HLAFEM VEHK HYKRO line? Sounds like Nerevar?
What about the 3 by 72 bit?
edit: someone I failed to see the later posts on this thread, sorry. Very interesting that 1200 matches the year...
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First, please don't laugh at me. I am very strange and I just wanted to put down my odd interpretation of this secret message. I know I am wierd and that I make very little sense, please no one remind me of that fact.
First:
White gold netch merchants Cherim Muzariah
I think this reffers to the white-gold tower in the imperial capital and that "netch merchants" and "cherim Muzariah" are poetic symbols for the provinces of Morrowind and Elseweyr. I also think that Muzariah could be Cherims last name.
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Hold the key on twelve hundred
One interpretation that came to my mind that one is that these three places (the imperial city, Elswyre, and Morrowind) shall posess the key in the year 1200. The key to what?
Well that brings me to:
And the lighting struck Dragon Tower.
Most are assuming that this refers to dragon break and that is what I first thought until I looked at my other bizzare interpretations. I think it refers to lightning striking the "Imperial (dragon used as the imperial symbol) tower". This makes me think that a great calamity will strike the tower or empire. Lighting can be used to denote godly power, destruction, and in the tarot a lighting struck tower is used to symbolize upheaval and trumoil. Thus I think this message is prophesying of Elswyre and Morrowind being the key players in the fall of the Dragon Empire of Tiber Septim in the year 1200 of the third era.
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I bind these Daedra guardians under the Seed-apple lattice.
I think "seed-apple" lattice refers to the large and obviously dominating moon of masser, or the "apple"; and the small, almost derivitve, moon of secunda, the "seed". I believe that the part of daedra guardians refers to the benevolant daedra, such as Azura and so forth, being bound as the guardians of Tamriel and helping the people through the time of upheavel. This could also mean that there are Daedra that have been duty-bound to see the fall of the empire to it's fruition.
These are but the simple ranting of a crazy man, but they ought to at least stir up some form of conversation. I would like to say again that these are just my observations and I know they are insane. I also know they are full of spelling errors, but I didn't spell check-it. So please keep the comments away from my mental state.
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Interesting.
I especially like the lightning striking the imperial tower. But 3E1200 is a loong way after the events in Morrowind I thought.
I had another question. Why is sermon zero called 'sermon zero of the thirty-six-and-nine sermons of vivec'? What are the other nine?
Edit: your seed apple lattice might be good too - I've just read in the chalice that there is a kajiiti word meaing 'lunar lattice' or 'moonstrings' which are joint phases of the moons...
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First theory: Completely agree... Cherim is Khajitti and Muzariah is Dunmeri.
Next theory: Agree, but 3E1200 is waay too long. I don't think Uriel Septim VII can survive that long, and according to some people/prophet/you-name-it in MW/Tribunal/Bloodmoon, the Empire will crumble soon. Which personally I don't like...
Final theory: I don't know... could be. According to Eno Romari of Mournhold that there will be a wave of Daedra coming from Oblivion soon.
This is pretty good for a crazy man
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I don't know that this has any relevance, but I'm fairly certain a seed-apple is a pomegranate, as in the Pomegranate Banquet.
This last line strikes me as an invocation.
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Hmmm, this is all rather confusing. Confusing in that I have no idea what it is I should be looking for, a new key to unlock a deeper mystery, or what the parables of this messege are trying to convey.
"White Gold netch merchants Cherim Muzariah":
This seems connected to an ancient rivalry, that rivalry between the Ayleids(Wild Elves) and the Alessians.
The White Gold Tower was once the home province of the Wild Elves , and queen Alessia with help from Morihaus and Pelinal Whitestrake, take it over.
I know this may be getting off topic, but why did Alessia choose to do this? Not only did she take this tower, but instated a new 'religion'. Now a particular quote from the timeline peeks my interest:
"Wild Elves, also known as the Heartland High Elves, preserved the Dawn Era magicks and language of the Ehlnofey."
Now why would the Wild Elves wish to populate the jungles around this tower? (which by the way was constructed around the same time as the Crystal Tower) We see also that the Direnni Clan captures Adamantine Tower. There seems to be a lot of interest in Towers at this point of the Merethic Era.
Do these towers hold some power?
Now back to analyzing the messege.
"Hold the key on twelve hundred"
I take this to mean that both Cherim and Muzariah, who are White Gold netch merchants, hold the key on twelve hundred. There are too many possibilities here for me to sort out at this time.
"And the lightning struck Dragon Tower."
I will assume thta this could also mean that both Cherim and Muzariah hold both the key on twelve hundred and the lightning struck Dragon Tower. I must say that this is the first time I see a period, denoting an end of sentence. Was this period in the actual message, or was it placed there by either Nigedo or B?
"I bind these Daedra guardians under the Seed-apple Lattice."
I have no clue what this could mean. Daedra guardians could refer to the Chimer/Dunmer of Morrowind. If we could divine who exactly is meant by 'I' in this statement, we may be able to analyze the messege further.
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Alessia's story isn't all that hard to understand... humans at that time were slaves of the Elves, and she led a slave rebellion. There's a book somewhere about how she was forced to incorporate elements of various religions for political reasons. And the "Alessians" have nothing really to do with her, they were founded much later by the followers of the prophet Maruhk, who claimed to be having visions of her.
As I understand it the White Gold tower is the first of the towers, a lot of things have happened there (including the gods creating the Mundus), and the towers are indeed very powerful.
I'm pretty sure the "I" in the last sentence is Vivec, as he is the writer.
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Seed-apple could just mean new?
Or young?
Edited by Woges (08/28/03 05:24 AM)
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Wow, wow and wow
As to the message itself, well i'll get back to you on that one 
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